[Adminsces] Missió: Obtenir el cod i font del CES per a poder millorar-ho

-> Gorka <- aldrebes a gmail.com
dll nov 14 19:12:43 CET 2011


Hola!

Mi propuesta para comenzar sería poner en marcha dos herramientas: una
lista de correo de comunicación y otra para el repositorio del código
fuente.
Hay bastante gente interesada en un CES 2.0 y creo que no debemos perder
más tiempo en promover dicho proceso.

Yo se lo comentaría a Tim, poniendo en marcha ambas herramientas y
haciendo difusión entre la gente interesada.
Creo que no sería dificil juntar un buen grupo de
programadores/diseñadores interesados en este desarrollo.

¿Como lo veis?
Salut!

Gorka.


El 14/11/11 18:57, Esteve Badia escribió:
> Bona tarda,
>
> Aquí la resposta d'en Tim Jenkin a les preguntes que li vaig fer. Quin
> penseu que pot ser el nostre paper a partir d'això?
>
> Esteve
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *CES Administrator* <admin a ces.org.za <mailto:admin a ces.org.za>>
> Date: 2011/11/14
> Subject: Re: CES development
> To: A bona hora - Ecoxarxa del Bages <horabages a gmail.com
> <mailto:horabages a gmail.com>>
>
>
> Hi Esteve
>
> I apologise for taking so long to reply. I get so much email that
> sometimes it goes off the page and then I see it no more.
>
> The CES software is available to anyone who wants it, but as it is old
> classic ASP code, no one is really interested in it. Also, it was
> designed to work on our own servers only so it was never packaged in a
> way that is useful to others.
>
> For many years we have been trying to produce a PHP/MySQL version of
> it but it never gets very far because the real development is always
> on the live code. The PHP code never keeps up and we have to keep
> starting again as things change.
>
> I programmed the CES site more or less on my own and have now reached
> the limit of what I can do. It is so big and complex now that I would
> never be able to tackle a new version on my own. The current version
> is the result of 10 years' work, so to create a new version in a new
> format with new technologies would take years.
>
> I am desperate to get together a team of programmers who could design
> and create a new version that does what the current software does and
> more. The current site is looking very old now and needs a complete
> redesign. The new software has to be compatible with the old so that
> the 350 existing groups can migrate to it without too much disruption.
> We also need to maintain the network, which is what makes CES special.
>
> If you can get together a team of people we could work together on the
> new software that would be fantastic. There are many others who are
> interested in helping, but they need something to work with. So far
> all I have for you is the MySQL database we developed for the PHP
> version, but the PHP code so far is a mess and I wouldn't like to make
> it available. It was hand produced and I think these days one has to
> use some kind of PHP framework. I am not particularly familiar with
> any of them. Everyone has their favourite framework: Symfony,
> Codeigniter, CakePHP, Drupal...
>
> The hardware infrastructure is not so crucial as hosting these days is
> very cheap and easy. However it has always been our dream to have CES
> servers all around the world, one in each country and all linked
> together through the network. We have started to implement this by
> setting up a separate server in Australia. Their server and ours will
> talk to each other through a third bridging server we call "Clearing
> Central". It will allow people to trade with others all over the
> world, even when their CES exchanges are hosted on different servers.
>
> So let me know how you feel about all this. It would be great if we
> can really get going on the next version of CES, and get it out there
> so it is the most popular software in the 'new economy'.
>
> Regards
>
> Tim
>
>
> On 7 November 2011 01:05, A bona hora - Ecoxarxa del
> Bages <horabages a gmail.com <mailto:horabages a gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Tim,
>     I'm Esteve from Spain (exchange HORA). In September we talked
>     about the development of the new php/mysql CES software.
>
>     In our country we have several coordinated exchange communities
>     (those called "Ecoxarxa" and the "COOP" one). We really appreciate
>     your work and it is being very useful for us. We are concerned
>     about this software since it is crucial for us so we've a pair of
>     questions:
>
>     - Have you planned to liberate the source code of the CES
>     software? Several of us are software developers interested in
>     improve the tool and we could do it in a collaborative way like
>     other open-source software projects. Furthermore we
>     found philosophically important that the trading software we use
>     is open source.
>
>     - Which is the status of the new php CES development? Personally
>     I'm interested in helping at this point. I'm a professional
>     software developer with a bit of time and a lots of wants to
>     participate in it. There are also other developers here in the
>     Spanish exchanges that could also help at this point.
>
>     In addition to the programming labor, we could also help with
>     hardware infrastructure. We could have a server with the CES
>     software installed maintaining our geographically close exchanges.
>     We are collaborating with a group of system administrators having
>     several servers only for social causes. It is feasible to use part
>     of this infrastructure. Well, these are only ideas that need to be
>     studied. 
>
>     Please let us know which are your plans for the future of CES
>     software, a key piece in building human-scale and fair economies.
>
>     Thank you and best regards,
>
>     Esteve
>
>
>
>
> El 7 de novembre de 2011 1:22, al <al a blogmail.cc> ha escrit:
>
>     +1
>
>     Gràcies, Esteve.
>
>     Al 07/11/11 00:37, En/na A bona hora - Ecoxarxa del Bages ha escrit:
>
>         Hola!
>
>         He enviat un mail al Tim Jenkin del CES demanant-li per
>         l'alliberament
>         del codi del CES i pels plans del nou CES en PHP. Quan tingui
>         noticies
>         seves us ho faré saber.
>
>         Per altra banda, penso que el CES -tot i que és una eina
>         immensament
>         útil i suficient fins al moment- té molts aspectes de fons molt
>         millorables. Per exemple la interfície d'usuari (poc intuitiva i
>         agradable), en tipus de límits d'endeutament (només límit fix), no
>         acceptació de cobraments, relació entre xarxes (més de dues
>         opcions),
>         les llistes d'ofertes i demandes també podrien ser millors,
>         connectivitat amb altres servidors (serveis web), ratio de
>         conversió
>         entre les diferents monedes i altres.
>
>         M'atreveixo a pronosticar que és tècnicament més factible
>         fer-ne un de
>         nou (òbviament utilitzant l'experiència del CES) pensant en un
>         model
>         modular i col·laboratiu de desenvolupament que no arreglar
>         l'actual (més
>         enllà de millorar cosetes petites). Sobretot ho dic tenint en
>         compte que
>         la mateixa gent del CES es decanten per aquesta opció: volen
>         fer-ne un
>         de nou amb PHP en lloc de ASP més que millorar l'existent.
>         Tampoc estem
>         parlant d'enviar ningú a la lluna :-).
>
>         Penso que la millor opció per nosaltres seria participar
>         activament en
>         el desenvolupament d'aquest nou CES junt amb ells. Jo m'hi
>         vaig oferir
>         -i van acceptar, però al final es va aturar- i he aprofitat
>         aquesta
>         ocasió per reiterar-li la oferta. L'únic que no tinc segur és
>         si això
>         tira realment endavant i si tenen ganes de tibar del carro o
>         només són
>         bones intencions.
>
>         Finalment dir que en Gorka possiblement obri un grup a la
>         xarxa social
>         per discutir aquests assumptes de forma més pública, així que
>         ens llegim
>         pel mail o per l'elgg.
>
>         Una abraçada,
>
>         Esteve
>
>
>         El 6 de novembre de 2011 20:03, vadó <vado a tresones.com
>         <mailto:vado a tresones.com>
>         <mailto:vado a tresones.com <mailto:vado a tresones.com>>> ha escrit:
>
>
>            hola!  penso el mateix que la Blackhold. Crec que la
>         tendencia de tots
>            els sistemes de moneda complementaria sera unir-se - el ces
>         ja ho està
>            fent, i que la prioritat es que la gent hi confiï i
>         s'extengui a la
>            societat, pero no estaria malament tenir un pla de reserva.
>
>
>            El 06/11/2011 19:59, Blackhold escribió:
>             > El 6 de novembre de 2011 19:48, Gemma Solanas
>             > <gemma.solanas.i a hotmail.com
>         <mailto:gemma.solanas.i a hotmail.com>
>            <mailto:gemma.solanas.i a hotmail.com
>         <mailto:gemma.solanas.i a hotmail.com>>> ha escrit:
>
>             >> Hola,
>             >> l'altre dia vaig estar parlant amb un informàtic que em
>         va dir que
>             >> també estava interessat en crear una mena de CES nou. A
>         part, a
>            Tarragona
>             >> també van crear el progrma NAPIA per fer intercanvis
>         però no se
>            com va
>             >> acabar la història ni si estava molt desenvolupat o no.
>             > l'avantatge del CES és que és una eina que ja porta temps
>            funcionant i
>             > a nivell internacional, simplement s'ha d'aconseguir que
>         alliberin el
>             > codi...
>             >
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