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Hola!<br>
<br>
Mi propuesta para comenzar sería poner en marcha dos herramientas:
una lista de correo de comunicación y otra para el repositorio del
código fuente.<br>
Hay bastante gente interesada en un CES 2.0 y creo que no debemos
perder más tiempo en promover dicho proceso.<br>
<br>
Yo se lo comentaría a Tim, poniendo en marcha ambas herramientas y
haciendo difusión entre la gente interesada.<br>
Creo que no sería dificil juntar un buen grupo de
programadores/diseñadores interesados en este desarrollo.<br>
<br>
¿Como lo veis?<br>
Salut!<br>
<br>
Gorka.<br>
<br>
<br>
El 14/11/11 18:57, Esteve Badia escribió:
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cite="mid:CAJq9KikpYBj0QhVmOi7MVSymz+tFynvmPN7X+Dsr28soLN4b4w@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Bona tarda,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Aquí la resposta d'en Tim Jenkin a les preguntes que li vaig
fer. Quin penseu que pot ser el nostre paper a partir d'això?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Esteve<br>
<br>
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href="mailto:admin@ces.org.za">admin@ces.org.za</a>></span><br>
Date: 2011/11/14<br>
Subject: Re: CES development<br>
To: A bona hora - Ecoxarxa del Bages <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:horabages@gmail.com">horabages@gmail.com</a>><br>
<br>
<br>
Hi Esteve
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I apologise for taking so long to reply. I get so much
email that sometimes it goes off the page and then I see it
no more.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The CES software is available to anyone who wants it, but
as it is old classic ASP code, no one is really interested
in it. Also, it was designed to work on our own servers only
so it was never packaged in a way that is useful to others.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For many years we have been trying to produce a PHP/MySQL
version of it but it never gets very far because the real
development is always on the live code. The PHP code never
keeps up and we have to keep starting again as things
change.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I programmed the CES site more or less on my own and have
now reached the limit of what I can do. It is so big and
complex now that I would never be able to tackle a new
version on my own. The current version is the result of 10
years' work, so to create a new version in a new format with
new technologies would take years.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am desperate to get together a team of programmers who
could design and create a new version that does what the
current software does and more. The current site is looking
very old now and needs a complete redesign. The new software
has to be compatible with the old so that the 350 existing
groups can migrate to it without too much disruption. We
also need to maintain the network, which is what makes CES
special.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you can get together a team of people we could work
together on the new software that would be fantastic. There
are many others who are interested in helping, but they need
something to work with. So far all I have for you is the
MySQL database we developed for the PHP version, but the PHP
code so far is a mess and I wouldn't like to make it
available. It was hand produced and I think these days one
has to use some kind of PHP framework. I am not particularly
familiar with any of them. Everyone has their favourite
framework: Symfony, Codeigniter, CakePHP, Drupal...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The hardware infrastructure is not so crucial as hosting
these days is very cheap and easy. However it has always
been our dream to have CES servers all around the world, one
in each country and all linked together through the network.
We have started to implement this by setting up a separate
server in Australia. Their server and ours will talk to each
other through a third bridging server we call "Clearing
Central". It will allow people to trade with others all over
the world, even when their CES exchanges are hosted on
different servers.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So let me know how you feel about all this. It would be
great if we can really get going on the next version of CES,
and get it out there so it is the most popular software in
the 'new economy'.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Tim
<div>
<div class="h5"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 7 November 2011 01:05, A
bona hora - Ecoxarxa del Bages <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:horabages@gmail.com" target="_blank">horabages@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204,
204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi Tim,
<div>I'm Esteve from Spain (exchange HORA). In
September we talked about the development of the
new php/mysql CES software.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In our country we have several coordinated
exchange communities (those called "Ecoxarxa" and
the "COOP" one). We really appreciate your work
and it is being very useful for us. We are
concerned about this software since it is crucial
for us so we've a pair of questions:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- Have you planned to liberate the source code
of the CES software? Several of us are software
developers interested in improve the tool and we
could do it in a collaborative way like other
open-source software projects. Furthermore we
found philosophically important that the trading
software we use is open source.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- Which is the status of the new php CES
development? Personally I'm interested in helping
at this point. I'm a professional software
developer with a bit of time and a lots of wants
to participate in it. There are also other
developers here in the Spanish exchanges that
could also help at this point.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In addition to the programming labor, we could
also help with hardware infrastructure. We could
have a server with the CES software
installed maintaining our geographically close
exchanges. We are collaborating with a group of
system administrators having several
servers only for social causes. It is feasible to
use part of this infrastructure. Well, these are
only ideas that need to be studied. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Please let us know which are your plans for the
future of CES software, a key piece in building
human-scale and fair economies.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you and best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Esteve</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">El 7 de novembre de 2011 1:22, al <span
dir="ltr"><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:al@blogmail.cc"><al@blogmail.cc></a></span> ha escrit:<br>
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0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
padding-left: 1ex;">+1<br>
<br>
Gràcies, Esteve.<br>
<br>
Al 07/11/11 00:37, En/na A bona hora - Ecoxarxa del Bages ha
escrit:<br>
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<div class="h5">
Hola!<br>
<br>
He enviat un mail al Tim Jenkin del CES demanant-li per
l'alliberament<br>
del codi del CES i pels plans del nou CES en PHP. Quan
tingui noticies<br>
seves us ho faré saber.<br>
<br>
Per altra banda, penso que el CES -tot i que és una eina
immensament<br>
útil i suficient fins al moment- té molts aspectes de
fons molt<br>
millorables. Per exemple la interfície d'usuari (poc
intuitiva i<br>
agradable), en tipus de límits d'endeutament (només
límit fix), no<br>
acceptació de cobraments, relació entre xarxes (més de
dues opcions),<br>
les llistes d'ofertes i demandes també podrien ser
millors,<br>
connectivitat amb altres servidors (serveis web), ratio
de conversió<br>
entre les diferents monedes i altres.<br>
<br>
M'atreveixo a pronosticar que és tècnicament més
factible fer-ne un de<br>
nou (òbviament utilitzant l'experiència del CES) pensant
en un model<br>
modular i col·laboratiu de desenvolupament que no
arreglar l'actual (més<br>
enllà de millorar cosetes petites). Sobretot ho dic
tenint en compte que<br>
la mateixa gent del CES es decanten per aquesta opció:
volen fer-ne un<br>
de nou amb PHP en lloc de ASP més que millorar
l'existent. Tampoc estem<br>
parlant d'enviar ningú a la lluna :-).<br>
<br>
Penso que la millor opció per nosaltres seria participar
activament en<br>
el desenvolupament d'aquest nou CES junt amb ells. Jo
m'hi vaig oferir<br>
-i van acceptar, però al final es va aturar- i he
aprofitat aquesta<br>
ocasió per reiterar-li la oferta. L'únic que no tinc
segur és si això<br>
tira realment endavant i si tenen ganes de tibar del
carro o només són<br>
bones intencions.<br>
<br>
Finalment dir que en Gorka possiblement obri un grup a
la xarxa social<br>
per discutir aquests assumptes de forma més pública,
així que ens llegim<br>
pel mail o per l'elgg.<br>
<br>
Una abraçada,<br>
<br>
Esteve<br>
<br>
<br>
El 6 de novembre de 2011 20:03, vadó <<a
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ha escrit:
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<br>
hola! penso el mateix que la Blackhold. Crec que la
tendencia de tots<br>
els sistemes de moneda complementaria sera unir-se - el
ces ja ho està<br>
fent, i que la prioritat es que la gent hi confiï i
s'extengui a la<br>
societat, pero no estaria malament tenir un pla de
reserva.<br>
<br>
<br>
El 06/11/2011 19:59, Blackhold escribió:<br>
> El 6 de novembre de 2011 19:48, Gemma Solanas<br>
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ha escrit:
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>> Hola,<br>
>> l'altre dia vaig estar parlant amb un
informàtic que em va dir que<br>
>> també estava interessat en crear una mena de
CES nou. A part, a<br>
Tarragona<br>
>> també van crear el progrma NAPIA per fer
intercanvis però no se<br>
com va<br>
>> acabar la història ni si estava molt
desenvolupat o no.<br>
> l'avantatge del CES és que és una eina que ja
porta temps<br>
funcionant i<br>
> a nivell internacional, simplement s'ha
d'aconseguir que alliberin el<br>
> codi...<br>
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